Joint Accounts

02-Jun-2011 | kate | Estate Planning

The Dangers of Joint Accounts

Its not unusual for parents to open joint accounts with their children, it happens for numerous reasons: aging, spendthrift children or simplifying bill payments for out of country family members.  In some families, joint accounts are simply to allow another family member to do you banking and to pay the bills, with no thought of the child receiving the joint account assets upon the parent’s death. Other families open joint accounts as estates planning in order to avoid probate taxes upon death- these accounts have the full intention of pass the money on to the joint holder.

Probate fees are a tax that is paid in most provinces when a will is registered with the court house. The fee is calculated on the value of the estates assets and since the joint assets don’t form part of the estate, the bank account would not be included in the calculation of probate fees. So clearly, in province of high probate (like Ontario) joint accounts are a popular estate planning tool.  The maximum charges for a probate application in Alberta are about $600 plus legal fees.

The problem with joint accounts is that too often the parent’s intentions are unclear and costly as the family feuds over the joint account. Was the joint account meant for the ease of bill payments? Was it set up for probate purposes? The problem is that until recently, the courts believed that joints accounts were set up as a gift between parent and child, and the assets in the account belonged to the surviving partner, regardless of other children.

Just recently, two court cases involving some unhappy children set new rules stating that jointly held assets between parent and child. One of the cases involved a parent, who only named one of his three children to be the joint owner of his investment accounts. Upon his death, the brother and sister sued the sister claiming that their father only jointed the account for administrative purposes. They argued that the money in the joint account should be put into the estate and distributed out according to the will, with both of the suing siblings receiving the funds.

 

After several years, yes years, and large legal bills, the court agreed with the spited siblings and stated that the documents were not clear and the money, (not much left by then), was distributed out according to the will.

The new rules state that joint assets will no longer automatically fall into the hands of the child when the parent dies, whether or not it was planned this way. Instead, the child has to clearly prove his or her entitlement to the asset; otherwise the asset will fall into the general estate.

The best way to avoid family battles and extensive legal bills is to have the appropriate documentation- clear written records of your wishes and to keep that document along side your will.  If you want the surviving joint holder to have all the money in the account (or jointly owner property), write it down and keep that note with your will. If you don’t want the child to get the money, write that down too.

Joint accounts can be complicated, especially when there are numerous family members fighting for a piece of the account, who don’t know the whole story. Perhaps that joint account was duly funded by both you and your child for expenses related to other joint assets, upon your death, your remaining children might not believe their sibling story about how their own money is mixed in their as well.  No matter what the case is and how uncomplicated you might think the circumstance may be, make sure you write down clearly what you want to happen to your joint assets so that your hard earned money isn’t given to the lawyer instead of your children.

 

 

This blog has been prepared by the Retire First Team. The blog expresses the opinions of the writers and not necessarily those of Retire First Ltd. Statistic and factual data are from sources Retire First believes to be reliable but their accuracy can not be guaranteed. This blog is furnished on the basis and understanding that Retire First is under no liability whatsoever in respect thereof. It is for informational purposes only and is not be construed as an offer or solicitation for the sale or purchase of securities. Retire First Ltd. And its officers, directors, employees and their family may from time to time invest in the securities discussed in this blog. This blog is intended for individuals where Retire First Ltd is registered as a dealer in securities.

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Self Employed Pension Plan

21-Dec-2010 | kate | Budgeting Canadian Investing Economy Estate Planning Government New Announcements

For once they agreed. Federal and provincial finance ministers agreed on creating a system that would encourage self employed and employees of small firms to save for retirement. The minister had different views on how to ensure Canadian have enough saved for retirement but they did agree that they want to make sure that employers are not put under a burden by the new plan. The Pooled Registered Pension Plan, called PRPP’s for short will be used to increase retirement savings for individuals with out a corporate pension fund. Employer contribution will be determined by the provincial registration. PRPP will enlist insurance companies and financial institutions to administer then new saving plan network which will make it easier and cheaper for small companies to offer employee sponsored pension plans to their workers on a voluntary basis. Self employed would be able to contribute to the pooled pension plan under the government proposal. The terms for PRPP’s will be worked out next June, where they will also be working on trying to a consensus on changes to the Canada Pension Plan. So far, there have been no estimates of how many people would join the plan and how much it would cost them per year and the expected savings that the plan would generate.

This blog has been prepared by the Retire First Team. The blog expresses the opinions of the writers and not necessarily those of Retire First Ltd. Statistic and factual data are from sources Retire First believes to be reliable but their accuracy can not be guaranteed. This blog is furnished on the basis and understanding that Retire First is under no liability whatsoever in respect thereof. It is for informational purposes only and is not be construed as an offer or solicitation for the sale or purchase of securities. Retire First Ltd. And its officers, directors, employees and their family may from time to time invest in the securities discussed in this blog. This blog is intended for individuals where Retire First Ltd is registered as a dealer in securities.

Retire First is a member of the Canadian Investors Protection Fund.

Commission, trailing commissions, management fees and expense all may be associated with mutual funds. Please read the prospectus before investing. Mutual funds are not guaranteed, their values change frequently and past performance may not be repeated. A recommendation of any of the mentioned investments would only be made after a personal review of individual portfolio. Third Party research has been used in formulating the writer's opinions.

Tough Conversations Make the Future Easier

22-Feb-2010 | kate | Estate Planning

Losing a spouse is a tragic event that brings to awareness that it is also an extremely difficult time to have to be sorting out your finances. So while none of us really like to talk planning for our love ones death, there are some topics that we much discuss to ensure our surviving spouse has the gentlest path as possible.

Sharing Information

Each family unit, no matter how young, should have a detailed list of their financial assets including the plan information, location (contact numbers, bank address) and where the family members can find statements relating to each account, whether a bank account, pension or even insurance policies. Don’t forget to share information with vital family members and adult children.

Meet and greet Advisors

It is important to introduce your spouse to your financial advisor, lawyer, broker and account to ensure that there is a comfortable relationship to continue forward.  It is important to develop these relationships as your lawyer, account and advisors are familiar with the situation.

Planning

This is a tough step, but is rather important. Upon the death of a spouse income and tax levels will change, the question is to figure out by how much. Will they claw back Old Age Security? Will you end up paying more taxes because their level of income will increase? Will pension income be reduced?

Domestic Work

This one surprises people, but is especially important for younger families with routines. Have each spouse prepare a list of everything that they do each day, you know, the chores you take for granted. This is important to keep a house running smoothly in unexpected circumstances.

The big thing is that we can’t turn a blind eye to life events. Things happen, and we can’t pretend they won’t and unfortunately, both spouses will not always be around to work together. So it is best not to delay and sit down and create a “go to binder” that you can turn to when you are too emotionally burnt out to think. Trust me; someday someone will be thanking you for taking the time.

This blog has been prepared by the Retire First Team. The blog expresses the opinions of the writers and not necessarily those of Retire First Ltd. Statistic and factual data are from sources Retire First believes to be reliable but their accuracy can not be guaranteed. This blog is furnished on the basis and understanding that Retire First is under no liability whatsoever in respect thereof. It is for informational purposes only and is not be construed as an offer or solicitation for the sale or purchase of securities. Retire First Ltd. And its officers, directors, employees and their family may from time to time invest in the securities discussed in this blog. This blog is intended for individuals where Retire First Ltd is registered as a dealer in securities.

Retire First is a member of the Canadian Investors Protection Fund.

Commission, trailing commissions, management fees and expense all may be associated with mutual funds. Please read the prospectus before investing. Mutual funds are not guaranteed, their values change frequently and past performance may not be repeated. A recommendation of any of the mentioned investments would only be made after a personal review of individual portfolio. Third Party research has been used in formulating the writer's opinions.